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:Removing content is not an acceptable way to resolve differences. Discussion is. The article doesn't necessaryly have to be balanced. For example there isn't a single pro-slavery argument on  TLP or Bonaparte isn't exactly portrayed in the most positive of lights. This is to be expected in any written material that is ultimately about one of the three great revolutions of the late 18th century. [[User:Doe|Doe]] | [[User talk:Doe|talk]] 18:34, 18 July 2011 (PDT)
 
:Removing content is not an acceptable way to resolve differences. Discussion is. The article doesn't necessaryly have to be balanced. For example there isn't a single pro-slavery argument on  TLP or Bonaparte isn't exactly portrayed in the most positive of lights. This is to be expected in any written material that is ultimately about one of the three great revolutions of the late 18th century. [[User:Doe|Doe]] | [[User talk:Doe|talk]] 18:34, 18 July 2011 (PDT)
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== '''Article is an attack page/factually inaccurate''' ==
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This article is factually inaccurate on several points and as such must be amended.
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'''1. "Extreme right wing stance"'''
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Deibert is in fact left-wing, and has vocally supported a multitude of progressive causes both within and without Haiti. For example
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'''A.''' Deibert is a strong supporter of Haiti's peasantry
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The international community's responsibility to Haiti
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http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/cifamerica/2010/jul/12/haiti-earthquake-redevelopment
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Haiti’s peasantry key to reconstruction
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http://www.alterpresse.org/spip.php?article9450
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'''B.''' Deibert is a strong defender of the rights of Haitian immigrants in the Dominican Republic
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Exhibit Reveals a Bitter Harvest
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http://ipsnews.net/news.asp?idnews=36905
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A disgraceful campaign by the government of the Dominican Republic
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http://michaeldeibert.blogspot.com/2007/03/disgraceful-campaign-by-government-of.html
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An Appeal to Decency on behalf of Haitians and Dominicans of Haitian descent
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http://michaeldeibert.blogspot.com/2007/05/appeal-to-decency-on-behalf-of-haitians.html
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'''C.''' Deibert was a strong supporter of the election of U.S. President Barack Obama
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Why I am voting for Barack Obama
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http://michaeldeibert.blogspot.com/2008/04/why-i-am-voting-for-barack-obama.html
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'''D.''' Deibert was a strong supporter of health care reform in the United States
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The Guns of August
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http://michaeldeibert.blogspot.com/2009/08/guns-of-august.html
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'''2. "Frequently criticized"'''
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Deibert has as many defenders as critics, both within Haiti and without. For example:
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''"Indefensible: On Aristide, Violence, and Democracy"'' by Alex Dupuy
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http://deiberthaiti.blogspot.com/2009/12/indefensible-on-aristide-violence-and.html
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""L’aventure onusienne en Haiti"'' by Jean-Claude Bajeux
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http://www.alterpresse.org/spip.php?article4420
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"Author gives insight into Haitian politics"'' by Char Miller
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http://www.webster.edu/~corbetre/haiti-archive-new/msg28091.html.
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''"The rise and fall of Haiti's 'savior'"'' by Don Bohning
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http://www.wehaitians.com/the%20rise%20and%20fall%20of%20haiti%20savior.htmll
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''Anna Ferdinand on Martissant''
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http://deiberthaiti.blogspot.com/2011/07/anna-ferdinand-on-martissant.html
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In Defense of Michael Deibert'' by Gerry Hadden
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http://deiberthaiti.blogspot.com/2011/03/in-defense-of-michael-deibert.html
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'''3. Patrick Elie'''
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The statements linked to by Patrick Elie - who was imprisoned in the United States for several years for lying - are potentially libelous and open both the website and editor Dominique Esser to possible legal action. See ''Final notes on Patrick Elie''
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http://deiberthaiti.blogspot.com/2008/03/final-notes-on-patrick-elie.html
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'''4. Characterization of only "right-wing" opposition to Aristide is false.'''
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Many critics were left wing. For example, the Solidarité Fanm Ayisyen (SOFA), Plateforme Haïtienne de Plaidoyer pour un Développement Alternatif (PAPDA), etc. See "A Tribute to Jacques Roche, Tireless Defender of the Poor!"
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http://www.cadtm.org/A-tribute-to-Jacques-Roche
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'''5. Violation of copyright.'''
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The photo linked to/used is a copyrighted imaged and may open the website and editor Dominique Esser to legal action.

Revision as of 15:50, 19 July 2011

Needs cleanup Doe 20:18, 7 July 2011 (PDT)

Page was potentially libelous and defamatory attack page. Offy

Re libel accusations

If there is anything defamatory on this page, please state why so we can have a discussion about it, deleting content is not acceptable. Doe 16:12, 18 July 2011 (PDT)

Balance of article

This article lacks balance and will need to be edited further. Hfhfhfh 16:41, 18 July 2011 (PDT)

Removing content is not an acceptable way to resolve differences. Discussion is. The article doesn't necessaryly have to be balanced. For example there isn't a single pro-slavery argument on TLP or Bonaparte isn't exactly portrayed in the most positive of lights. This is to be expected in any written material that is ultimately about one of the three great revolutions of the late 18th century. Doe | talk 18:34, 18 July 2011 (PDT)


Article is an attack page/factually inaccurate

This article is factually inaccurate on several points and as such must be amended.


1. "Extreme right wing stance"


Deibert is in fact left-wing, and has vocally supported a multitude of progressive causes both within and without Haiti. For example


A. Deibert is a strong supporter of Haiti's peasantry

The international community's responsibility to Haiti http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/cifamerica/2010/jul/12/haiti-earthquake-redevelopment

Haiti’s peasantry key to reconstruction http://www.alterpresse.org/spip.php?article9450


B. Deibert is a strong defender of the rights of Haitian immigrants in the Dominican Republic

Exhibit Reveals a Bitter Harvest http://ipsnews.net/news.asp?idnews=36905

A disgraceful campaign by the government of the Dominican Republic http://michaeldeibert.blogspot.com/2007/03/disgraceful-campaign-by-government-of.html

An Appeal to Decency on behalf of Haitians and Dominicans of Haitian descent http://michaeldeibert.blogspot.com/2007/05/appeal-to-decency-on-behalf-of-haitians.html


C. Deibert was a strong supporter of the election of U.S. President Barack Obama

Why I am voting for Barack Obama http://michaeldeibert.blogspot.com/2008/04/why-i-am-voting-for-barack-obama.html


D. Deibert was a strong supporter of health care reform in the United States

The Guns of August http://michaeldeibert.blogspot.com/2009/08/guns-of-august.html


2. "Frequently criticized"

Deibert has as many defenders as critics, both within Haiti and without. For example:

"Indefensible: On Aristide, Violence, and Democracy" by Alex Dupuy http://deiberthaiti.blogspot.com/2009/12/indefensible-on-aristide-violence-and.html

""L’aventure onusienne en Haiti" by Jean-Claude Bajeux http://www.alterpresse.org/spip.php?article4420

"Author gives insight into Haitian politics" by Char Miller http://www.webster.edu/~corbetre/haiti-archive-new/msg28091.html.

"The rise and fall of Haiti's 'savior'" by Don Bohning http://www.wehaitians.com/the%20rise%20and%20fall%20of%20haiti%20savior.htmll

Anna Ferdinand on Martissant http://deiberthaiti.blogspot.com/2011/07/anna-ferdinand-on-martissant.html

In Defense of Michael Deibert by Gerry Hadden http://deiberthaiti.blogspot.com/2011/03/in-defense-of-michael-deibert.html


3. Patrick Elie

The statements linked to by Patrick Elie - who was imprisoned in the United States for several years for lying - are potentially libelous and open both the website and editor Dominique Esser to possible legal action. See Final notes on Patrick Elie http://deiberthaiti.blogspot.com/2008/03/final-notes-on-patrick-elie.html


4. Characterization of only "right-wing" opposition to Aristide is false.

Many critics were left wing. For example, the Solidarité Fanm Ayisyen (SOFA), Plateforme Haïtienne de Plaidoyer pour un Développement Alternatif (PAPDA), etc. See "A Tribute to Jacques Roche, Tireless Defender of the Poor!" http://www.cadtm.org/A-tribute-to-Jacques-Roche

5. Violation of copyright.

The photo linked to/used is a copyrighted imaged and may open the website and editor Dominique Esser to legal action.